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 This post is intended to allow discussion of the upcoming episode, as reflected in the promos.  It will be updated as more promos appear.

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Re: Philip as "Clark"

Date: 2014-03-30 03:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
Yeah, see I assume that what she really means is just--be an animal/make me yours. She doesn't really have an attraction to Clark but she uses that to bring up the subject without having to say that outright. It lets her be teasing him a little. But then I just laugh thinking of Philip being like...okay, um, well I know how I get into this with Martha but now I feel really self-conscious.

Maybe he'll work on it in private and figure out a way to work it in organically.

Re: Philip as "Clark"

Date: 2014-03-30 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] katiac
Oh yeah, I agree she's using it as an excuse to even bring it up. I wonder how self-conscious Philip would be if she got to a place where she pushed a little and it became clear that she really wanted that from him. Because I think their sexual relationship has been screwed up in a lot of ways over the years, but they've been strong enough to get past separation, betrayal of trust, infidelity on both sides, one of them potentially dying or being captured... I think Philip could get into it, particularly if Elizabeth were encouraging him as they went along and he knew it was mutually being enjoyed.

Re: Philip as "Clark"

Date: 2014-03-30 04:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
Yeah, the fun part of it is that on the one hand she would have to be encouraging, but otoh it's all about him seeming like he's in control. So it might actually take a little bit of trial and error and they might actually even need to talk about it a little because this isn't just trying something new, it's trying something that in the past would have been offlimits for very good reason.

It's really great when you think of how often male sexual aggression has been portrayed with Elizabeth as at best pathetic and at worst rape, but now she can actually enjoy it in this relationship.

Re: Philip as "Clark"

Date: 2014-03-30 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] katiac
Yes, it's a great sign of how much trust she has in this relationship and a huge step personally for her that she's even considering she might want to go there. It's rewarding to watch her have these personal revelations over the past few episodes about how she's really been all these years and to see her making efforts to change. I could even see it in Elizabeth's head not so much that she wants to be completely dominated during sex, as in not in control at all, but just that she would be giving him her trust and showing him she really wants him to let go and be free to be more aggressive with her. It could very well be a mutual "animal-like" thing too where they both get to explore things getting a little wilder and it's a signal to Philip that they're getting to a more comfortable place both with each other and her trust-wise in a sexual relationship where she feels like she can play around with it a little more and find out what she really does *like* in bed without that being the loaded topic it's always been. Or not as loaded, at least. I just saw it all as a great sign, and a really healthy step for her, and potentially for both of them if it can stop being attached to "Clark" but rather what Elizabeth and Philip want to try in bed.

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