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In their post-season-finale interviews, the showrunners have been very consistent about not wanting to speculate about what happens to any of the characters after the events of the finale, and have repeatedly said that it's now up to audience members to decide those things for themselves. Of course, to be consistent with both the nature and the tone of the show, any future imagined developments should probably be a) realistic (both in the sense of "consistent with reality" and in the sense of "psychologically viable for that person at that time"), and b) a mixture of melancholic and hopeful. But even within those parameters there are an awful lot of possible outcomes, and there are an awful lot of characters who those possible outcomes could happen to, as well.

So what do you think happens next? For any of the characters, and at any point in time after when the finale ends?

Date: 2018-06-09 10:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lovingboth
The final 'We'll get used to it' line said to me on first watch that Philip and Elizabeth will stay together as husband and wife - something that was very unlikely at times in the show - with the added irony that we know there won't be much time before it all changes again and having the worst aspects of capitalism arrive in Russia means it becomes a lot harder for them. There will doubtless still be jobs for people training illegals though and what else are they qualified for?

Henry goes into finance, like many of his school colleagues. His wife divorces him for not being emotionally involved in the relationship.

Paige's future depends on what support she gets and from who.

Date: 2018-06-09 02:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
According to translator Masha Gessen Philip and Elizabeth's skills make them hugely employable in the new Russia. They've got intimate knowledge of the US and a perfect command of English, besides all the side skills we've seen them display as spies. They're going to be in demand all over the place soon in Russia!

Date: 2018-06-09 02:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] soupytwist
I'd love to know what you think they might end up doing! (I think Philip might end up running security for some business or project that he thinks is a good thing, and Elizabeth might teach fighting or maybe English, but mostly spend a lot of her time staying away from everyone and painting.)

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Date: 2018-06-09 05:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
whenever they’re alone together, they continue calling each other Philip and Elizabeth (with an American accent when they’re speaking English, and with a Russian accent when they’re speaking Russian).

I don't know why, but I love this detail. I always assumed the first part, but not the second. Even though of course it's the most natural thing to do.

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Date: 2018-06-19 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] treonb
This is all an amazing writeup! Especially the repercussions for the kids. I do wonder now what happens with Olivia.

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Date: 2018-06-09 03:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
I really don't have any detailed futures that I imagine for many of the characters. When I find myself imagining what comes next it's usually about Philip and Elizabeth readjusting and getting to know Philip's family--that interests me but I don't have any set ways it would go. (Though I do have certain, like, incidents or moments that pop into my head.) And I imagine how Oleg might eventually coming home and what that would be like. I'm not sure how realistic it is, but I think of Philip and Elizabeth having some contact with his family as well, not wanting to leave him like a fallen comrade etc.

The only things I really find myself thinking as natural in my head longterm are Elizabeth and Philip staying together and getting used to each new thing and Henry actually not developing close relationships with Paige and Stan as a result of this. I think he'll be fine with both of them and have a some relationship with Paige (not as much with Stan) but in general live a new life where very few people know about his history. (When he does tell people it's in such a way that it seems unreal to them.) But privately and in many different ways he'll always be trying to work out his past, often without realizing it.

It would be great if Stan decided to really consider why he seems to choose relationships with people who are intentionally always trying to mirror back what he wants from them, but I don't know that that he'd really look too deeply into that. When he does think about stuff like that he'll frame it as thinking about Philip instead of himself somehow.

Date: 2018-06-09 03:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] soupytwist
It would be great if Stan decided to really consider why he seems to choose relationships with people who are intentionally always trying to mirror back what he wants from them

This is a GENIUS observation. And I would bet Stan never sees that at all.

Date: 2018-06-09 04:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
I mean, Sandra tried to tell him. Even Matthew zeroed in on it. His biological family really did have his number more than most anyone else. Sandra who did EST *and* soul-retrieval through drawing!

Stan might have had a much more interesting friendship with Philip as Mischa. The black humor alone might have been something that really got through to him.

Date: 2018-06-10 09:31 pm (UTC)
sistermagpie: Classic magpie (Default)
From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
This actually now is making me imagine him as a negative role model for Henry throughout the series and it's pretty interesting...

Date: 2018-06-11 01:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] quantumreality
Welp, as someone who's always been interested in time travel fics BECAUSE WHY NOT

I wrote an idea up on my own blog but I'll flesh it out here as I wouldn't mind seeing other people's thoughts:

Paige slips up somehow after the safe house - maybe she's had too much vodka and isn't thinking quite right with her liquid courage. Stan, who's angry at himself for letting P&E slip out from his grasp, decides to focus all the terrible weight of the FBI's power onto Paige, and she cracks like a cheap walnut without her mom to help buttress her. The USSR does nothing to help, knowing that anything the KGB does will just screw it up even more.

She spends 20, 25 years in jail for espionage, aiding and abetting homicides, obstruction of justice, etc, etc, etc.

When she gets out, all she has is the fact that she obsessively studied Russian for years, and it's 2012, just in time for Cold War II to start in earnest. She decides to try and find SVR/FSB contacts in Moscow who might want to use her bilingualism to some advantage, and Arkady, on the verge of retirement from his job at the FSB, decides out of sympathy to employ her: he decides she can pretend to be a native Russian-speaker among English speakers who would assume she doesn't speak the language, and puts her to work infiltrating low-level UK/Canada/Australia embassy shindigs (Never the US, though. They might still have her picture).

And then, fast forward and all of a sudden it's 2048, and a secret Russian-financed project taps her to be a test subject: time travel.

Paige, knowing she's had to deal with the hard lessons she's learned about facing the consequences of her actions, decides to take one last gamble: after all, if she dies, she's over 70 and what the hell. But if she succeeds, she might be able to swerve the course of history...

... or can she? :P

Date: 2018-06-19 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] treonb
The problem is, if she changes why she grew up in such a family, she won't exist at all

Date: 2018-06-21 05:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] quantumreality
Pfffft since when does time travel need to make sense :P

"Paige takes part in an experiment she never imagined would work. She wakes up in her bed in 1981, and wonders at the possibilities - and dangers." :P

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Date: 2018-06-17 08:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] astridv
I just finished watching the show, finally, and I for one am off to AO3 to see if I can find a fic that gets Oleg out of that jail cell, preferably with Stan's help.

(It was thinking how this finale has left the door wide open for fanworks, which was very considerate of the writers :).)

Date: 2018-06-19 08:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] astridv
They actually said that? Haha, no pressure, right?

No really, that is pretty cool. Do you think they've read yours?

Date: 2018-06-20 01:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
It's so funny because to me reading fanfic about the future is like...I got the kind of ending I like and often don't get so reading fanfic would ruin it!

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(Just saw the final last night)

Date: 2018-06-30 11:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jesse_the_k
Thank you for these fascinating takes on the possible future for P&E.

I appreciate all your optimistic thoughts.

I must admit mine are much sadder, heavily influenced by the French 1999 movie EAST/WEST, where Stalin invites all Soviet citizens back to the motherland post-WWII.

Date: 2020-03-26 05:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mengu
Oleg is fine. He wasn't there officially, but he was pretty important to keeping Gorbachev in power and since Gorbachev is... in power, I figure he gets Oleg home in, like, a matter of months. Maybe a year.

Date: 2020-03-27 12:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
Excellent!

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