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How do you think Henry will respond when he finds out his parents are Soviet spies? 

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Date: 2015-11-30 03:07 am (UTC)
sistermagpie: Classic magpie (Default)
From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
I've thought about this one a lot...but it's hard to know without knowing how he finds out, which probably depends on what happens with Paige.

This is what I do notice. There's been a lot of stuff with Paige showing that she and Elizabeth have very similar basic personalities. At first Elizabeth's personality sort of dominated the entire house because it was so strong, but Paige was always #2 and now she's pushed herself into the center.

But at the same time there's a lot of more subtle stories about Henry being like Philip. Sometimes it's little things like that ep where the two of them are doing parallel break-ins and long-angle lens spying. There's also Henry picking up interests on his own and just kind of doing them, keeping himself occupied. When people don't have time for him or whatever he just withdraws. When he's upset he withdraws and stops talking. He tends to ask questions rather than answer them (when Philip asks him about Paige's church he asks why Philip wants to know). He's instinctively a good liar. He reacted to Paige finding the picture of Sandra by creating a much better, elaborate hiding place that rivals the ones his parents have. He's friends with Stan partly, because he likes him, but also because he's hoping to get intel on Sandra--iow, just like his dad he's got multiple agendas he doesn't see as in conflict. Paige and Elizabeth chase truth as an idea. Henry seems to see deception as a natural part of being human.

But most important, there's the scene in the first season with the hitchiker. Henry starts off suspicious of the guy, is more observant in noticing the knife and when he senses a threat reacts violently and protects Paige. Only later does he go over what he did and worry it was wrong. You don't get much more Philip than that.

All of which leads me to say that where Paige has her mother's interest in commitment to ideals and other people like that, Henry seems like he's got his father's instinct for protecting himself and family. So while I don't know what how he'd completely react to his parents being spies (though the above-mentioned ability to compartmentalize and interest in people and their motivations could come in handy) I think they've laid the groundwork for him to potentially put family first if, for instance, Pastor Tim took it upon himself to tell him or whatever.

Basically, some of the ways he's different from Paige seem relevant to the situation. Paige was curious about her parents because she saw something amiss--Henry's curious in general. Where it's in Paige's character to come at people a bit like a prosecuter to make them explain themselves, I can see Henry being genuinely curious about how his parents got where they are...that is, maybe after he shut down and locked himself in his room.

Date: 2015-12-15 08:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] quantumreality
That's a really nice insight:

Paige, like Elizabeth, can be inflexible and dogmatic about certain things and will draw certain uncrossable lines - such as Paige being insistent that her faith can provide answers to some things she has questions about, just as Elizabeth is insistent that her education and upbringing in a "socialist" society and its ideological underpinnings provide the necessary answers to questions she might ask.

Henry, like Philip, seems to be more of a "go with the flow" type which allows for certain mental compromises that, unless called onto the carpet for them, allow rationalizations and justifications for their behavior. I'm not sure Henry really thought it was wrong to break into someone else's house until his parents confronted him about it, and I think Philip, both in his casual adoption of certain 'softnesses' of American society and in his spycraft, also will go along until he has to either confront himself or someone confronts him.

And even then he still can insist his perspective is valid: e.g. getting a sports car. It's a very '80s American-male kind of thing to do, and it's a symbol of status which can easily be waved off as a mark of success. In fact 1982-3 was around the nadir of the '80s recession, so the travel company's nominal upswing in business wouldn't, I think, make the IRS question why Philip is buying flashy stuff.

I think Henry's equivalent is, he might be willing to argue with a Russian kid that the US are the 'good guys' and still be willing to chill and play a few rounds on the Atari 2600, as well.

Date: 2015-12-15 05:01 pm (UTC)
sistermagpie: Classic magpie (Default)
From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
Yes, that's how I see them too. I think Henry and Philip seem more compartmentalized in that their lives are made up of different people and interests that aren't always connected. Henry seems to pick up interests and get really into them and then get interested in something else or be interested in something else too. When Pastor Tim's at the table he asks what baptism's about, when Stan's date's there he asks what EST is about.

His reaction to the video game is interesting too because another kid might have defended himself more boldly by saying "What's the big deal? Nobody was using the game!" But Henry basically defends his intentions, saying nobody was using it, yet cries over the damage to his relationships with other people. He values relationships too much to not care about that, but still thinks his original motivation was valid. Had he not gotten caught I don't think he'd have considered himself as having done anything wrong--and that fits with a lot of the way we seem him talk, actually. More than once when he's prattling on about something he's thinking through whatever was going on for himself even when he's going against the grain to do it.

Paige and Elizabeth both seem to want their lives to be totally consistent with one overriding philosophy. The church/the cause provide the answers to everything and it's difficult for them to relate to people outside of that because people who don't get it are wrong. Which can often require its own mental compromises. I think Elizabeth definitely has a habit of occasionally bending her own inflexible rules by convincing herself that what she wants is different enough to be okay or justified in some way. And I suspect Paige would do the same thing.

Paige's reaction to the revelation was in large part to focus on the things in her own life were lies. With Henry I can see him being very upset at his parents being the bad guys...but I can also see his curiosity winning out.

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