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Aired:
21 May 2014 in the U.S. and Canada
25 May 2014 in Israel
7 June 2014 in the UK

This is a discussion post for episode 213 of The Americans, intended for viewers who are watching the show on the U.S./Canadian schedule. (Feel free to dive in to the discussion even if you're coming in late--and you should also feel free to start a new thread if it seems too daunting to read through what's already been posted first. If you're reading this at a point where you've already seen subsequent episodes, though, please take care to keep comments spoiler-free of anything that comes after season two, episode thirteen.)

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Re: Did Jared ever tell Kate about the murders?

Date: 2014-05-23 03:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alisonx
But even then, surely they'd see the absolute DEBACLE the Jared thing was (assuming Jared told Kate who told KGB) and send somebody OTHER than Kate to Philip and Elizabeth ? Given that they sent Kate some time after the murders. Was this supposed to be Kate's chance to redeem herself?

Why keep Jared alive if he was so volatile. Why was he even still valuable to them at this point when they realised how psychotic he was (he wasn't a psychopath I just like using this word to express just the disaster this was).

I agree there must be controversy, but I don't mind them wanting to try again. I do mind them using Kate for Jared and Paige....

The first generation illegals are so meticulously trained and so pinpoint perfect, and they're really willing to risk it all without taking time to workshop the ideas or collaborate - yeah there must definitely be some internal argy-bargy going on in those Directorate S offices

Re: Did Jared ever tell Kate about the murders?

Date: 2014-05-23 07:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] quantumreality
I re-watched Jared's confession, but I still wonder if he isn't obscuring or changing details. He claims he got his father's gun, but why would he need it for an ordinary day at the fair? He also says he got into an argument with his dad, they tussled, he somehow got the gun out and his mom tried to stop him, after which he killed them both - and then his sister as well.

That's three unsilenced shots. Where did Jared stash the gun that Philip didn't find it? Anyone experienced with firearms would probably have known how to check if one has been fired recently, which would have raised Philip's suspicions almost immediately.

I still wonder if an experienced assassin didn't happen to be there that day, telling Emmett and Leanne that the KGB would take his son, and they had no say in the matter, and when they refused to accede, blam, blam, blam - and then Jared, wearing his game face, went to the pool.

Re: Did Jared ever tell Kate about the murders?

Date: 2014-05-23 03:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
I wonder if Jared was really being protected or if they had their own plans to deal with him and Kate was just stringing him along. Because surely they saw Jared as simply defective and were happy to exfiltrate him (though frankly, they should have killed him since he totally showed the potential to attack them in one way or another).

But I get the impression their focus on continuing the program is a case of them simply not seeing the risk. I was talking to someone on another board who had the same attitude, saying that the only reason Jared went off was because the parents weren't in on it, so they weren't taking the same risk. It's a case of not really understanding how delicate it is to do this sort of thing.

Re: Did Jared ever tell Kate about the murders?

Date: 2014-05-23 03:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alisonx
I reckon if Jared wasn't being protected, they would have taken him out straight after the hotel murder to look like a hitman had targeted their whole family. I think this was their least preferred option - having to make Jared disappear, because that would rouse the FBI's suspicion.

Re: Did Jared ever tell Kate about the murders?

Date: 2014-05-23 05:03 pm (UTC)
sistermagpie: Classic magpie (Default)
From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
Huge--but one that would reflect their distance, judging things from on high instead of listening to those on the ground (and maybe putting people on the ground likely to agree with them).

Re: Did Jared ever tell Kate about the murders?

Date: 2014-05-25 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] katiac
Yes, I think the issue is that the people directing the program simply can't understand the risk. I think they're looking at the 2nd gen's like this huge boon for the program, which they totally are, and possibly recruitable, which they totally are, but no one back in Moscow can possibly understand how these kids would feel having grown up in the US as US citizen children who believe they have US parents. They can't possibly understand the feelings of betrayal and anger and fear and hurt these kids are going to have, or if they do on some level understand them, I suspect the upper echelons are filled with more Claudia types, diehards who put the party over everything else and are more focused on the aspect of "they're children of this world and it could give their lives meaning..." blah blah blah than on how that kid is going to feel finding out they've been lied to their entire lives, and by the people they're supposed to be able to trust most.

It's not that it's impossible to do, it's just that it's this HUGE, extremely difficult, extremely delicate thing that's maybe harder than any other agent they've ever had to recruit. It's not something you can clumsily stab at by sending someone to honeytrap the kid and keeping the parents out of the loop without disastrous results.

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