I love what you said about Philip and agree with it wholeheartedly! I do think, though, that he doesn't see another way out for them long-term, so it's still percolating in the back of his mind. I wouldn't be surprised if we find him bringing it up again sometime, if certain things start heating up again--though almost certainly with a bit more nuance.
As for Elizabeth, I'm a little bit worried about what will happen for her ideologically in 1989/90/91, but to be honest, I think at that particular point she'll have more existential concerns than ideological ones, at least for a while (I recommend not thinking too hard about that--it's heartbreaking). Plus, that's the time when everybody from her part of the world will be wrestling with those kinds of ideological issues--which doesn't mean that it's easy, of course, it certainly wasn't easy for the real-life people who lived it--but at least they're all in good company, you know? If she has to actually defect, though--sacrifice principle for pragmatism, and do it as sort of a lone wolf--I think it will just shatter her. I can imagine her getting to a point where she felt it was necessary, but I can't imagine her getting to a point where she felt like it was right, and she would have an awfully hard time forgiving herself.
As for Nina, I think she was absolutely willing to do it, but for her it was a cost-benefit analysis, and the benefits had to outweigh the costs in order to make it worth it. The way she vascillated on the issue over the course of the season had entirely to do with the way her perception of those benefits and those costs changed over time. As of the season one finale, she's clearly picked a side, but the jury is out on whether that's a permanent, principled choice or a pragmatic one (I go back and forth on how I perceive that from her).
I had never thought about the possibility that the Martha storyline might end that way, but oh god, for her sake I sure hope it doesn't. Because Philip doesn't love her, like, at all, and isn't worth that sort of sacrifice.
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Date: 2013-07-01 11:59 am (UTC)As for Elizabeth, I'm a little bit worried about what will happen for her ideologically in 1989/90/91, but to be honest, I think at that particular point she'll have more existential concerns than ideological ones, at least for a while (I recommend not thinking too hard about that--it's heartbreaking). Plus, that's the time when everybody from her part of the world will be wrestling with those kinds of ideological issues--which doesn't mean that it's easy, of course, it certainly wasn't easy for the real-life people who lived it--but at least they're all in good company, you know? If she has to actually defect, though--sacrifice principle for pragmatism, and do it as sort of a lone wolf--I think it will just shatter her. I can imagine her getting to a point where she felt it was necessary, but I can't imagine her getting to a point where she felt like it was right, and she would have an awfully hard time forgiving herself.
As for Nina, I think she was absolutely willing to do it, but for her it was a cost-benefit analysis, and the benefits had to outweigh the costs in order to make it worth it. The way she vascillated on the issue over the course of the season had entirely to do with the way her perception of those benefits and those costs changed over time. As of the season one finale, she's clearly picked a side, but the jury is out on whether that's a permanent, principled choice or a pragmatic one (I go back and forth on how I perceive that from her).
I had never thought about the possibility that the Martha storyline might end that way, but oh god, for her sake I sure hope it doesn't. Because Philip doesn't love her, like, at all, and isn't worth that sort of sacrifice.
-J