Now, THIS I can go along with completely. Very insightful and a wonderful elaboration on where I'd taken those elements in my head!
they're neither of them in love with the Philip and Elizabeth that their neighbors know. They're in love with the person they know, who is a spy.
I think this is exactly right. I think they each think of the other as Philip Jennings/Elizabeth Jennings--which explains why they use those names even in private. But as you point out, it's not the same Philip/Elizabeth that everyone else in their American lives knows, it's one that's informed by knowledge of the hard and sometimes even cruel things each of them has done, the training they've each gone through, the ways in which they each think like a spy...and also by their respective pasts, and their mutual knowledge of not just one shared culture but two of them. That's not the same thing as a marriage between Misha and Nadya, but it's not quite a marriage between "Philip Jennings" and "Elizabeth Jennings", either. It's sort of a sum of both of those parts.
Or (my preference) it could also be like Elizabeth’s confession to Brad that she’s trying to learn how to feel again, but she fears she’s too old. It’s a tentative step rather than just the “real” answer about who Philip is and what he remembers. Does that make sense?
It totally makes sense--and in fact, it's in line with what I was already thinking about that bit, it just takes it another step further. I do think it's a real memory, but the fact of him bringing that memory into his current life and his relationship with his wife is hugely significant and a step toward bringing that past part of himself into who he is currently.
It’s not just that Philip isn’t American because he’s Russian, it’s that any time you say anything too definitive about what Philip is you’re likely wrong.
This is exactly right. It's not that there's NOT a core self there, but he's been too many other people since he left Misha behind, seen and experienced and learned too much to ever be him again. He contains multitudes, and all of the multitudes are equally accurate.
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Re: "I like the cold"/"I remember"
Date: 2014-03-29 08:15 pm (UTC)they're neither of them in love with the Philip and Elizabeth that their neighbors know. They're in love with the person they know, who is a spy.
I think this is exactly right. I think they each think of the other as Philip Jennings/Elizabeth Jennings--which explains why they use those names even in private. But as you point out, it's not the same Philip/Elizabeth that everyone else in their American lives knows, it's one that's informed by knowledge of the hard and sometimes even cruel things each of them has done, the training they've each gone through, the ways in which they each think like a spy...and also by their respective pasts, and their mutual knowledge of not just one shared culture but two of them. That's not the same thing as a marriage between Misha and Nadya, but it's not quite a marriage between "Philip Jennings" and "Elizabeth Jennings", either. It's sort of a sum of both of those parts.
Or (my preference) it could also be like Elizabeth’s confession to Brad that she’s trying to learn how to feel again, but she fears she’s too old. It’s a tentative step rather than just the “real” answer about who Philip is and what he remembers. Does that make sense?
It totally makes sense--and in fact, it's in line with what I was already thinking about that bit, it just takes it another step further. I do think it's a real memory, but the fact of him bringing that memory into his current life and his relationship with his wife is hugely significant and a step toward bringing that past part of himself into who he is currently.
It’s not just that Philip isn’t American because he’s Russian, it’s that any time you say anything too definitive about what Philip is you’re likely wrong.
This is exactly right. It's not that there's NOT a core self there, but he's been too many other people since he left Misha behind, seen and experienced and learned too much to ever be him again. He contains multitudes, and all of the multitudes are equally accurate.
-J