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Promo discussion: Episode 2x06
This post is intended to allow discussion of the upcoming episode, as reflected in the promos. It will be updated as more promos appear.
Please keep the comments spoiler free from anything not mentioned in these promos.
Please keep the comments spoiler free from anything not mentioned in these promos.
Re: Philip as "Clark"
Yes, yes, yes! This is exactly the sort of thing I meant when I said it could be revealing of the kind of person he is in a way that the two of them aren't used to.
I also agree with you that he would probably ultimately find it hugely exciting if he can uncouple it from all the levels of discomfort the very idea would bring up. Because for him, I really do think that sort of roleplay would be more than just being a side entrance to having rougher sex with his wife. It would be having sex with someone his Philip self both loves and finds very sexually attractive, but as what amounts to an entirely different person. That would access all sorts of aspects of his malleability that don't usually enter into his relationship with Elizabeth at all. And I think that would probably be an enormous turnon for him, but that it will take some doing to get to the turnon under all the discomfort.
Like Elizabeth would potentially enjoy more aggression from him in bed, but would probably be triggered and unhappy if they did something that came too close to reenacting the rape.
I actually think she's not worried about that at all. She seems very firmly in control of the situation as she brings it up, and not at all tentative about it. She's even kind of baiting him, challenging him (which is both hilarious and delightful). I definitely think that's one of the things he is thinking about, though, and one of the huge aspects of his discomfort.
Seriously, though, every time I think about this scene at all, one track of my brain is still stuck on I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING THERE. Because I CAN'T. :) My god, this show. How does this show even exist?
-J
Re: Philip as "Clark"
I think I didn't explain what I meant very well. I don't think Elizabeth is actively worried about that at all right now, or even thinking about it. But, for example, if Philip got on top of her in the same position Timoshev did, twisted an arm behind her back, etc, there's a point at which it could become too close to it and that would trigger her, whereas just more aggression in bed would be a potentially exciting thing.
And I think the same is true with Philip. There's an aspect of using other personalities in bed that I think would be a similar turn-on for him, but I feel like in the same way some things could trigger Elizabeth if they got too close to it, there's the potential some things could trigger Philip in a similar way in using certain personalities--either in bed, or later. Elizabeth in the kitchen conversation seemed at ease and playful. Philip seemed the exact opposite, which is why I feel like he's having sort of a mini freak-out on the inside. It's a little even like the kitchen scene from the pilot where he's just kissing her neck suggesting they try this thing and it's no big deal to him, but to her it's layered with all these other things that freak her out and he doesn't really understand why.