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Jae ([personal profile] jae) wrote in [community profile] theamericans2014-03-26 07:45 pm
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Episode discussion post: "The Deal"

Aired:
26 March 2014 in the U.S. and Canada
30 March 2014 in Israel
12 April 2014 in the UK

This is a discussion post for episode 205 of The Americans, intended for viewers who are watching the show on the U.S./Canadian schedule. (Feel free to dive in to the discussion even if you're coming in late--and you should also feel free to start a new thread if it seems too daunting to read through what's already been posted first. If you're reading this at a point where you've already seen subsequent episodes, though, please take care to keep comments spoiler-free of anything that comes after season two, episode five.)

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Re: Paige's "Crazy Life"

[personal profile] katiac 2014-03-29 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
During the past year, her parents separated. We know she blamed her mother for that. Then with no warning, her mother went away. For a couple of months, her mother was just--gone. Because of the prior separation, Paige thought the reason Elizabeth left was that her mother was having an affair. Thanks to the KBG's careful planning, Paige thinks her mother was in Pennsylvania with "Aunt Helen." Although, since it was just a few hours away, I can't imagine what excuse Philip came up with for not going up to visit on the weekends.

I think part of the issue with Paige is that it's not just the events that are happening... it's that her life has been so remarkably normal... almost boring, up to this point, and then suddenly she's getting hit with all of these things out of left field. It's the instability of it in combination with how unprepared she was for it. I can see the argument for drama queen too. Because really, a lot of kids have it a LOT worse. But part of the problem with Paige is the degree to which her parents have always sheltered her and she's never had reason to worry.

Her parents argued, but then some people are just loud/arguers. My grandparents were like that and were married 50 years, very happily for the most part. Paige's parents had been like that as long as she could remember, and nothing had changed in 13 years. But suddenly, they tell her over fried chicken dinner that they're separating. To viewers, it seems like the next obvious step, but to Paige who has no idea why anything is different or even THAT anything is different, this came hugely out of left field and had to turn her radar up to a state of constant alarm with "how the hell did I miss this and what else could I miss if I don't pay attention???" Them being spies and being so good at pretending to be perfectly fine over the years made it that much worse for the kids. And then suddenly Philip is moving back in, mom has disappeared without even saying goodbye or calling, and then is gone for 2 months. Even if the thing itself is not the end of the world (which it's not, really), the effect on Paige is that much sharper because she's just simply unprepared for it.
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Re: Paige's "Crazy Life"

[personal profile] alisonx 2014-03-30 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
This thread is confusing me - it's making me crazy.
Perhaps it was the delivery of the line, but I just am not recognising what, beyond an instinctive feeling of suspicion, makes her think this.
Paige leads a confusing life, she may have feelings of being lost and may feel like things around her are getting more complicated, and yes this 'unknown' that she can't put her finger on is very unsettling to her and rightfully so. But I do think she's being a drama queen if she genuinely thinks her life is "crazy." Maybe she just used that word to get Elizabeth to sit up and pay attention?

She's obviously right to feel this way (confused and lost) and maybe it's cos she lives in a household where she feels that she can't ask for answers and or demand the truth about her suspicions with her parents. I never really thought about it but I think some teenagers' default reaction would be to just pester their parents for answers rather than going on a hidden quest not even confiding in your brother about what you're feeling. So yeah Paige is probably feeling dazed with bottled up feelings. But it's still different from saying that the sheltered life your parents have created for you is becoming crazy and uncontrollable and damaging and ....

I definitely agree with what you are saying about how all this stuff (separation + aunt) came out of nowhere and all at once and shocked her. I mean at the end of the day, most parents do keep things from their children, in order to protect them, and give them the happiest care-free life possible. So the fact that Paige sees through this and does feel something bigger is going on shows her intuitiveness.

Still for example with the fact that Philip had to keep up his relationship with Martha during the 2 months that Elizabeth was away, we are still supposed to suspend our disbelief because if Paige had realised her dad left every other night and didn't come back till morning, I couldn't believe that she has stayed silent - to her brother, to her father and to her mother about it....This conversation is doing my head in. I could accept calling her life 'crazy' if it was an conscious exaggeration on Paige's part but if it wasn't, I would disagree with her definition of crazy.

Re: Paige's "Crazy Life"

[personal profile] katiac 2014-03-30 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
Still for example with the fact that Philip had to keep up his relationship with Martha during the 2 months that Elizabeth was away, we are still supposed to suspend our disbelief because if Paige had realised her dad left every other night and didn't come back till morning, I couldn't believe that she has stayed silent - to her brother, to her father and to her mother about it...

My guess would be that it wasn't quite that often and that on nights he had to be gone, Philip would be sure to leave after they were asleep and come back before morning. When Elizabeth was gone I think he probably couldn't spend the full evening/morning there unless he claimed to be going on a business trip and got Sandra to watch the kids... and I think that starts getting suspicious fast.

I think with Paige the word "crazy" may just be early teenage years and the way that lends itself to exaggeration. That's the age of statements like, "You're the worst mom EVEEEERRRRRR!!!!!" and slamming doors and tears and "My life is RUINED." And it's not just spoiled teens who act that way. Kids that age kind of see the world as revolving all around them instead of viewing themselves as a part of it. So even though adult viewers can watch Paige and just kind of laugh a little, to her it may actually seem like that.

It's interesting because in one way Paige's reaction isn't entirely unlike Elizabeth's. Paige was blindsided by something that was traumatic to her. She had no power to stop or influence it. She had no voice in what came next. Paige tried to get answers from Elizabeth about the separation and assuage her feelings that something wasn't quite right, but Elizabeth shut her down every time. A few days before Elizabeth disappeared, she finally gave her one semi-honest answer in their conversation in the kitchen, but then there was the weirdness of her "doing laundry" in the middle of the night... and then the next day she disappeared without even saying goodbye, and so did their dad. And then it had to be weird when dad returned a few days later and things were all patched up with him and mom, but mom hadn't even called. And then like wendelah said, mom is 3 hours away and they can't even visit? There's a lot of strange things.

Elizabeth doesn't take being lied to very well (to put it mildly.) I think Paige has that trait too. She's demanding truth. When Elizabeth is forced into something and has no recourse, she pushes back, much like she shut out Philip when he was forced on her by the Center. Paige has no recourse against some of the things being done to her (no answer from her parents that can explain the above peculiarities to her satisfaction, no she's not allowed to read the bible, no she can't have privacy) and so she's pushing back in any way she can trying to regain some sense of control (much like Elizabeth did.)

Re: Paige's "Crazy Life"

[personal profile] treonb 2014-03-30 05:52 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with you that Paige is exaggerating when she says her life is 'crazy'. I mean, she's probably picking up on something, and like she told Kelli, she feels "there's always something going on", but she does live a quiet stable life.

Besides:

A. I grew up in a home business, and I actually remember having this "why are you doing X in the middle of the night" conversation, and not because I was suspicious of anything. Of all things, why would it seem suspicious to do laundry in the middle of the night? Isn't her mother working most of the day?

B. I do miss her not talking to Henry about her suspicions. She might get an "I don't care" response from him, but she should still be asking. And he might even help her out in finding out information.