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Jae ([personal profile] jae) wrote in [community profile] theamericans2014-03-26 07:45 pm
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Episode discussion post: "The Deal"

Aired:
26 March 2014 in the U.S. and Canada
30 March 2014 in Israel
12 April 2014 in the UK

This is a discussion post for episode 205 of The Americans, intended for viewers who are watching the show on the U.S./Canadian schedule. (Feel free to dive in to the discussion even if you're coming in late--and you should also feel free to start a new thread if it seems too daunting to read through what's already been posted first. If you're reading this at a point where you've already seen subsequent episodes, though, please take care to keep comments spoiler-free of anything that comes after season two, episode five.)

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Re: Philip and his memories

[personal profile] alisonx 2014-03-27 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I love everything you said in that last paragraph!!!

I think my read is that this episode is about Philip feeling like he's losing his identity, and Elizabeth is his grounding anchor. It must be a real struggle when it becomes hard to reconcile your past self with your present, feeling like your memories of something you love is fading. I think Gen saw this as a continuation of the Pilot-idea that Philip has become so ingrained in America that he's forgotten what he's fighting for and while I think that's kinda true, my take from his actual episode is just that he misses it and wants to remember and wants to hold on to the part of his life that was actually truly real.

I love this episode so much because all the Philip scenes to me were so cohesive in this one escalation of an idea - whether same or different to the one I had.(from 'you miss it' to 'i like the cold' to 'i hide what i do not who i am' to 'are your children your children' to 'they took your humanity you may as well be dead' to 'i remember')
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Re: Philip and his memories

[personal profile] sistermagpie 2014-03-28 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! (I'm rewatching now and will wind up posting a looooong comment paying particular attention to that whole thread I'm sure.) To me it seemed like a complication of the Pilot idea rather than a continuation. Because back then, interestingly, he put it in terms of just being who they've pretended to be. Which was a practical solution and in some ways very do-able but in some ways frankly not. Because Philip Jennings, as much as he's becoming a full human being, is not the complete human being and he's not who this guy is, in total. There are no doubt times when he's fine being just Philip, but at other times those other parts will be important. And I think that was part of what Yossi pointed out to him, was that that other person didn't go away, and as long as he was hidden he actually wasn't totally himself. Even if he realizes this is his home now, he can't just leave that behind completely.

And what I love about it is that this isn't where he wants to escape some shameful past but he has to reconcile it. It's more that there are parts of that life and his home that he genuinely loves and loved them. Elizabeth has that living connection with her mother, but we don't know the forms it takes with Philip. But I'm really glad that there's somebody who seems to be representing just love of the place because foreign countries really are different!
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Re: Philip and his memories

[personal profile] sistermagpie 2014-03-29 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, what I really didn't like about her read, at least as it came across to me (I barely remember the actual words at this point!) is it seemed to completely avoid Philip's identity fragmentation/crisis or whatever entirely and say look, he's perfectly integrated and whole, he's just at odds with his job. Which makes the problem external: he's not an American guy, or at least he believes in the American position, but he has to stick with the KGB because of his wife. And so his problem in large part is being forced to do things that are against who he is.

Which seems like one of the traps of a character like Philip. He so easily slips into whatever pov he's adopting that it seems like it's the real one, or it's easy to understand him through the lens of what you think is most logical. But that's the danger of defining this guy through what he appears to be at any given moment, because he himself actually can have trouble in that area. He will always adapt to the circumstances and internalize them.