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25 April 2017 in the U.S. and Canada

This is a discussion post for episode 508 of The Americans, intended for viewers who are watching the show on the U.S./Canadian schedule. (Feel free to dive in to the discussion even if you're coming in late--and you should also feel free to start a new thread if it seems too daunting to read through what's already been posted first. If you're reading this at a point where you've already seen subsequent episodes, though, please take care to keep comments spoiler-free of anything that comes after season five, episode eight.)

Original promo trailer

While watching thoughts

Date: 2017-04-26 01:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lovingboth
A very determined look on Philip's face as he drives back home.

'How'd it go with Gabriel?' '(biiig sigh)'.

He's avoiding mentioning the 'don't get Paige involved' bit. Ah, at last.

Puzzled look on Elizabeth's face, more than once - first when Philip takes about Gabriel being tired of 'it' and then with Paige. But her final pre-titles line says she's getting tired of it too.

The Atari 800 version of Pole Position was better, even if it didn't do split screen.

Parents of teenagers moment!

This can't end well even if he does - now he's finally, much later than it should have been, destroyed the evidence - have nothing to hide.

Presumably this is someone's influence being used as retaliation against his investigation. I like the shots of the parents' reactions. Only one of them is visibly worried, but having a son get in deep shit can't help your position as a minister...

You'd think Soviet furniture would be made easier to search :)

All much more politely said than meant. 'Are you in a hurry?' And another sign of someone feeling tired with it all - wondering what's in Claudia's past.

A whole $500/month! Stan trying to crush her dreams by being realistic again.

'Every office has a Yuri'.

Funniest moment: Philip expecting her to be disappointed that he's not coming over, then being dumped because he's not Clark enough in bed for her!

Nice cut from that to Paige and Elizabeth training..

.. and a sign that Elizabeth is not entirely convinced by the idea of Paige getting more involved.

'When I was not much older than you, I was raped' isn't going to inspire her either. She noticeably doesn't say that it was someone involved in her training. Or that Philip killed him a few feet from where they're standing.

Oleg going 'WTF happened to me', and confessing about something small rather than the big one.

Normalisation of horror in the 'you could be accused of sabotage for taking a pencil', with the implication that five years would be an entirely reasonable punishment.

Lovely grin on her face for the slow Kung Fu comment, and with his compliment, followed up by a 'you have to do the tough stuff' comment to him.

Big operation just to follow her to.. what's probably not a class. And (with an interlude for some FBI planning) isn't.

Finally some chitchat with Claudia, but even here some tiredness via her grandchildren not remembering her.

Ha again at Philip being picked up on when he confesses to it being an affair.

Trying to get someone to go home because they're miserable has lots of overtones.

And a quiet ending, with more wistfulness.

After all this, what's the betting that the new FBI's new asset is caught soon? Pretty likely to happen, I'd have thought, given the opportunity for Stan to feel guilty about it.

Going home

Date: 2017-04-26 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] treonb
Trying to get someone to go home because they're miserable has lots of overtones.

Ha, good point! But then we've got Claudia reminding us that sometimes going home just makes you more miserable.

Date: 2017-04-26 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shapinglight
A lot to think about in this episode, which in action terms, was one of the quieter ones.

Ended up feeling very sorry for a lot of people, including Stan and Aderholt's new asset (they're going to get her killed), Claudia (the admission that her grandchildren had forgotten her, the weariness), Oleg's mother (must have felt like deja vu when the KGB traipsed in behind him). I also - ludicrously - felt sorry for Philip for getting the brush off from Deirdre. Wonder how many times that's happened before?

I love the episodes where a lot is left implied rather than said out loud and this was one of them.
soupytwist: stephen fry peering round a wall (Default)
From: [personal profile] soupytwist
I'm glad it's not just me who was watching the scenes with Stan and Aderholt's new asset going "... she's got maybe five minutes to live". She seems adorable, too; I don't want her to die! But I am pretty sure she is, as they say, totes doomed yo.

Philip seemed to take being dumped (for "someone more assertive", hah!) reaaaally personally. They are good at their jobs, but surely there must be SOME times it just doesn't work, and not in a way they can fix? There's a bit of a head nod to that idea, but then Elizabeth's like, "you're still hot, honey, you can get back with her whenever you like" and then he more or less does, so. I do love that calling up and explaining he's married actually makes her pick up the phone, though, that's hilarious.

I also like that Philip and Elizabeth compliment each other this episode: it starts from them both cancelling their dates with other people, which is weirdly adorable and they both seem pleased about it, and then they go to "we're not all as attractive as you Elizabeth"/"you are too attractive, Philip" bit. It was cute.

I also like that Philip clearly gets how big a deal telling Paige about her rape is for Elizabeth. Paige saying she wants to feel safe is so sad but the way it's brought her and Elizabeth together is, I think, meaningful. Weird that her parents apparently don't get that 'doing sad faces at the window' is not the same as Paige 'doing okay' though... although tbf, they probably do get that more than they can explain to Stan!

Henry on the couch, still existing, but still no plot.... the "standing around while the teens hang out next door" bit was well done though.

There was so much DOOOOOOOOM underlying this ep, though! Tuan saying nothing bad's happened YET... the clearly-gonna-die source, Oleg being searched, the way Paige was asking about what Elizabeth would do if she wasn't a spy. Elizabeth talking about what she wants for Paige, and commenting to Philip that it'd be a nice world if nobody had to do their job. Even the bit where Elizabeth's taking photos was shot in a way that made it feel like she was going to get caught. It all added up to great big narrative markers yelling that this story is going to end, and bad stuff is gonna happen as it does.

Oh and I think Oleg is very smart for realising that fessing up to something small is probably better here than pretending nothing happened. I hope Oleg stays okay. I love Oleg.
Edited Date: 2017-04-26 06:33 pm (UTC)


Date: 2017-04-26 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] treonb
Stan's line had me worried: "I'm trying not to die before Matthew graduates from college."

I hope he makes it past the finale.

Re: Doom

Date: 2017-04-27 01:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
If he starts showing Philip pictures of his boat we'll know he's in real trouble for sure.

Re: Doom

Date: 2017-04-27 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] treonb
Pictures of his boat?

Re: Doom

Date: 2017-04-27 08:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
Sorry, it's a cliche from action movies. Whenever you have the cop who just wants to make to his retirement that's coming up soon, he often announces that he's bought a boat that he's going to enjoy during his retirement and he shows off pictures. I've seen some jokes on it where the guy shows pictures of the boat and it's called something like "Live forever!"

Re: Doom

Date: 2017-04-28 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] treonb
Ah.. got it, thanks :-)

Re: Doom

Date: 2017-04-27 04:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] soupytwist
YES, I knew there was at least one other thing I'd forgotten to list that made me think DOOOOOOOOM.

(My current predictions are: Stan dies, the Jenningses go on the run... and not back to Russia. I may be wrong.)

Treon's thoughts

Date: 2017-04-26 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] treonb
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't think the FBI's new source is dead woman walking? I was wondering, though, why Nina spoke much better English. How long was she in the US before we met her?

I don't know if Philip was deliberately manipulative in the opening scene, but he got Elizabeth to say how Gabriel is a good man and how much he cares about them, and only then brought up the fact that Gabriel thinks Paige shouldn't be a spy. Elizabeth solved that problem by keeping Gabriel a saint and deciding he was only talking theoretically. Like in the end, she theoretically would like to be a doctor, but she can't, too bad, but good thing too.

This also fits with Elizabeth's attitude that she does what she does because she has no other choice. "Wouldn't it be a nice world if nobody had to do this".

And then she gets Paige to think like that too:

Paige: Do you like what you do?
Elizabeth: I wish I didn't have to do it, but I'm proud to help my country.
Paige: If you didn't have to serve your country like this... what would you do?

"Big sex guy" - Turns out Evgheniya meant exactly what she was saying.

I think Elizabeth's upset at Stobert for cheating on her, so why would she want to see him again? And Philip feels personally insulted by his girlfriend dumping him. So much so that he's now trying to win her back just so he can dump her in a few weeks.

Paige and Elizabeth's walk - I had a feeling they were color coordinated with the view behind them. Anyway, very pretty, and it was nice having a change of scenery for a bit.

Elizabeth says she wishes Paige would believe in something and care about things that matter. She did both of those things, but they weren't what Elizabeth believed or what Elizabeth thought mattered. I'm also not sure Philip would disagree, as Elizabeth implies. He just had no problem with Paige doing her own thing.

Re: Treon's thoughts

Date: 2017-04-26 10:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] quantumreality
The TASS lady was definitely adorable in a way and I think she won't get offed either, not as long as she, Stan and Aderholt are careful.

That said I wonder how she'll hide the fact that she's had dental work done in the USA. Maybe an "emergency chipped tooth"?
Edited Date: 2017-04-26 10:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-26 10:15 pm (UTC)
quantumreality: (americans1)
From: [personal profile] quantumreality
- Chris and Henry make a cute couple.

- Oleg gets his place bunged up a bit but nobody found anything. Whew! Interesting point - "it's not like that anymore", which is probably true. The KGB planting evidence just for the sake of dumping another person in the gulag wouldn't make sense when it would cause dislocations especially in the intelligence apparatus.

- The Morozov family seems to be doing a bit better.

- Claudia is all business.

- "Back when Gabriel was shooting people at home what do you think she was doing?" OHOHOHOHOHO daaaamn, Philip :O

- P&E both seem relieved to find an excuse not to continue sex work even though Claudia asked them to keep going.

- TASS lady has very mild ambitions. I wonder how they handled the hard currency for incidentals. Also, apparently she wants to try and get her teeth fixed up!

- Holy shit, Paige has really stepped up her game :O

- Elizabeth tells her past to Paige :O

- Wow, Tuan, you got a blunt mouth on you, mister. Also wow, ur an asshole.

- Paige and Elizabeth have A Moment!

- This is actually the first time in a while they haven't done an almost-smash-to-black at the end of an episode.


Date: 2017-04-27 08:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] saraqael
Not a lot of big action in this episode, mainly because Philip and Elizabeth sidelined themselves from their honeypot assignments temporarily (official reason: not necessary at this point in time / real reason: they’re tired of sleeping with other people). They followed Evgheniya and discovered that she’s having an affair with one of her students. Since that man will be posted to Moscow, that leads to a new plot to find a way to encourage Evgheniya to return to Russia. I’m sure this will unfold over the end of this season.

I know that we were meant to be alarmed when the KGB showed up to search Oleg’s house, but we already knew they wouldn’t find anything compromising (because Oleg burned it all last week) so to me that scene was robbed of tension. Oleg is protected by his father’s prestigious position within the Party so it wasn’t as if they were going to drag him screaming off to jail. I’m interested to find out why Oleg is under suspicion. Was it only because he got his mother’s file from the archive without permission? I don’t think so. Has the KGB been monitoring the CIA’s efforts to blackmail Oleg? Possibly. We’ll see. Be a damned shame if he gets ruined right at the dawn of perestroika.

Mainly, this episode had a lot of satisfying emotional interactions (which I like better than the action sequences). The episode opens immediately after last week’s bombshell admission from Gabriel that Philip had been right all along and Paige should be kept out of the illegals program. Philip still looked thunder struck, bitter, and angry as he was driving home. He had butted heads with Gabriel more than once, but at the same time he had respected him and treated him almost like a surrogate father. Now, only when Gabriel is leaving does Philip learned that Gabriel did horrible things during the Stalin era Great Terror. Gabriel was the one who was insisting that they bring Paige into the program but only now admits that it was wrong. All of this comes on top of learning the truth about his own father (a truth that Gabriel had passively never told him about before).

When Philip told Elizabeth, I thought her reaction was fascinating. On the surface, she seemed wistful. “Wouldn’t it be a nice world if nobody had to do this?” But it was what she didn’t say that I found so interesting. She didn’t say, “Gosh, Philip. You were right so how do we get Paige out of this?” She said nothing, and Philip most definitely noticed that she said nothing. It would seem that Elizabeth still intends for Paige to stay in the program. But does she really? She was cagey about it when she talked to Claudia, later. Elizabeth did say that she and Philip would never see eye-to-eye about Paige, which implies that she wants Paige to remain a recruit, but she didn’t actually say so. Just what exactly are you thinking about all this, Elizabeth? Do you even truly know?

All we really know is that Elizabeth wants Paige to have a worthwhile cause to believe in and go out and do some good in the world. I felt so sad for Elizabeth later when she told Paige that if she hadn’t been a spy she would have wanted to go be a doctor in some 3rd world country where she could just do some good and no one would care if she lacked some of the nice social graces that doctors are supposed to have. That made me think about when Elizabeth herself was just a kid taking care of her sick mother. Imagine what a great doctor she might have been, and how much good she could have done with her life if she’d had the chance to devote of her ferocious energy to taking care of poor people in some forgotten part of the world. I’ll bet she would have been a fabulous doctor. Instead, she kills people and hopes that this is somehow serving the greater good.

And while I’m thinking about Elizabeth (she had so many good moments in this episode), it was a big step for her to tell Paige that she’d been raped and what that did to her. Paige’s first reaction was to want to hug her, but Elizabeth wasn’t looking for sympathy. Being hurt and terrorized like that galvanized her. It made her determined that no one would ever be able to hurt her like that again. She wants that for Paige too, just as much as she wants Paige to have a cause. Elizabeth is so buttoned up about her feelings that she is practically a cypher. A lot of (incredibly clueless) viewers still think that she is completely heartless, which is exactly the opposite of who she is. She is passionate about her beliefs and caring not just to her family but to all needy people everywhere.

Other random thoughts: The more I see of the FBI’s latest Russian recruit, the more I like her. She’s so sweet. On this show, that usually means that she is doomed.

Tuan’s plan to get the local school bullies to abuse Pasha until Pasha turns tail and wants to run back to Russia is evil and has the potential to get seriously ugly. I hope the Jennings don’t come to regret leaving Tuan all alone so often with only his extremist, bloodthirsty thoughts for company. Because Tuan? Is scary.

By contrast, there was Henry with his normal teenage friend and his maybe girlfriend playing normal video games at his normal suburban house being perfectly normal. How sweet. He certainly isn’t acting like someone who is plotting to do terrible things with his big brain and super math skills.

Interesting that Elizabeth thought that EST might be making Philip too sensitive and unwilling to hurt peoples' feelings (in this case Deirdre). More interesting that Philip said no, EST just makes him think about his own feelings. They're actually both right. Philip has become more in tune with his true, personal feelings and thoughts, but that has also made him less willing trample other people's feelings just because the job demands it.

I was probably supposed to feel sorry for Claudia when she admitted that she hadn't seen her family for so many years that her grandchildren didn't even remember her. Ironic since her cover identity is 'Granny'. Some granny she turned out to be, either for her real blood relations or towards her KGB officers. I have virtually no sympathy for Claudia. Perhaps I should have more. I don't know. My take on her is more like Philip's. "Back when Gabriel was shooting people back at home, what do you think she was doing?" It's easy to imagine that she was doing things just as horrible as Gabriel did, but perhaps she didn't. Perhaps she merely lost people close to her so many times that she closed herself off to any emotional connections, just as Elizabeth turned into a super fierce fighter to protect herself. I continue to appreciate her very much as a character, but I don't feel any sympathy for her because she seems to have none for anyone else.
Edited Date: 2017-04-27 08:43 pm (UTC)

Re: Elizabeth's feelings

Date: 2017-04-27 09:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
She said nothing, and Philip most definitely noticed that she said nothing. It would seem that Elizabeth still intends for Paige to stay in the program. But does she really? She was cagey about it when she talked to Claudia, later. Elizabeth did say that she and Philip would never see eye-to-eye about Paige, which implies that she wants Paige to remain a recruit, but she didn’t actually say so. Just what exactly are you thinking about all this, Elizabeth? Do you even truly know?

This ep made me realize how much Elizabeth has been all about feelings this season. She asked if there was something wrong with her for not wanting to go back to Ben. Told Philip she couldn't have feelings for Ben after she caught him cheating (but earlier had driven to Young-Hee's house). Told Philip she emphatically didn't have feelings for Ben when they thought he was making poison wheat. Rejected a hug from Paige as the exact opposite of the point she was making about her rape. Chose not to see Ben again. Rolled her eyes at the shrink's description of an attack as "trauma." Is kind of pleased with Paige describing her as having no bedside manner--it's curing illness that matters, not holding peoples' hands.

Then with Philip, that EST conversation is kind of fascinating. She's doing Tai Chi, which Ben presented as a way of unblocking her chi--iow, it's supposed to give the same benefits as something like EST, but it's just physical. (Those positions really are very slow kung-fu.)

But back to EST, Elizabeth again brings up feelings. She warns Philip he may have to "hurt someone's feelings" in a slightly mocking way, as if that's nothing (it wasn't nothing for Young-Hee). She then brings up EST again, and while she's being pretty dismissive, she's not dripping disdain all over it like she did in their fight last season and Philip isn't overly defensive about it. One might say she's bringing up the subject because she's kind of curious and ready to hear something about it.

She characterized EST as saying feelings are the most important thing--iow, exactly the opposite of what she herself keeps insisting, that feelings shouldn't matter. But Philip, not feeling attacked, is able to give her a more considered answer, saying that no, he's really never gotten that from EST. In fact he presents it as something far more rational--it's not about putting feelings above all else, it's about thinking about parts of himself he never has before. The feelings, as we know, are simply a key to that--something Elizabeth instinctively understood when she helped him talk about the memories he was having of his father.

That's something that I would think she could respect more. I mean, Gabriel's last scene with Philip is (can't remember if this was said here or elsewhere) kind of like an EST session. Philip's asking confrontational questions about his motivations and Gabriel ultimately admits (or realizes) that the time when he thought himself the least confused and setting a good example he was acting out of fear.

I took some of Elizabeth's reactions in this ep to be seriously trying to battle her own changing feelings. I think when Philip told her what Gabriel said it struck her, perhaps, as a personal failure. Since first season she's been worried about Paige seeming "fragile," something she seemed to associate with herself as well, before she overcame it. Here she was encouraging Paige to see that she, too, could become a cold-hearted person that couldn't be hurt. Just as her mother did. (But Paige herself said she "didn't want to" get over her horror at the incident.)

Elizabeth has spent *so much* of her life convincing herself that the times she has been hurt were actually good and emulating the people who did it to her. The most obvious of those being Timoshev (he didn't care about her feelings, but she used that to grow stronger than him and bash his head through the spot in the garage she stared at while telling the story) and her mother, who sent her away and seemed to imply her father wasn't worthy of remembering because he was a traitor. (Those last things are me drawing my own conclusions, but I think there's a lot of evidence for them.)

The one thing Elizabeth has never wanted to do was face her hurt at exactly this treatment, but we see her rage when she feels it's been done to her again in Trust Me. We see her get more hostile to Philip when Timoshev turns up again. She closes up completely when Philip hurts her with Irina. She encourages Philip to see Gabriel as a good man who loved them when he suggests that he, too, ultimately didn't care. She's always seen the Centre and her mother as being harsh, but only for the greater good. She has to believe they can care about her while still doing these things.

But then, the whole show starts when Philip becomes the first person to put her above all of that. And last season she had a dream that directly linked her planned murder of Pastor Tim to Paige being raped by Timoshev. Twice she's suggested she would almost be relieved to think of the kids in the US with Philip.

With Paige I think she's conflicted because on the one hand, her mother put her into this life, but otoh she sent her away. For Elizabeth I think a big reason she wants Paige recruited is because it's a way of keeping her close. One reading of Granny's story is that she has no relationship with her family because she lived this life; the other way is that it's a warning to make sure your family is in the life too, because you can't have relationships with civilians.

Still, there's a danger to all this, especially with Claudia there. Philip felt the best way to deal with Claudia--who intentionally tried to break them up in s1--was to not let her in their heads at all. But there's Elizabeth later not only playing her usual "teacher's pet" role with the Centre by making nice, but talking to Claudia about potential conflicts between her and Philip, not to mention reinforcing Claudia's opinion that yes, of course Philip is still a problem. Elizabeth's need to see the Centre as caring about her personally except when the Greater Good forces them to prioritize something else could be dangerous.

Season 1 explicitly set up her relationship with Gregory, based on the model of shared devotion to the cause and putting the Cause above everything, with Philip. That might be a blueprint for the whole rest of her life.

Re: Immersion

Date: 2017-04-27 11:24 pm (UTC)
quantumreality: (americans1)
From: [personal profile] quantumreality
Because Tuan? Is scary.

Indeed. O_O

I think Tuan shows the real danger of ideological extremism forged in deprivation and war. Philip and Elizabeth never had it as had as he did, and they grew up in a society that, if not very functional, was at least stable and not prone to internal disorder - after which they moved to another highly-stable country.

In short, P&E's ideological beliefs have a leavening of realism and pragmatism about them, even if Elizabeth is especially still pretty hardcore pro-Communist and pro-Soviet.

Tuan's ideology, though, hasn't got any of that. He just wants to hit back and hit back as hard and as viciously as he can at anyone who doesn't agree with him, and by proxy at the country that did so much damage to his and won't (at the time) even apologize for it.

I honestly think in other circumstances he'd have been sucked into a crime syndicate, which in some cases values the kind of bloodthirsty edge a kid like that has.
Edited Date: 2017-04-27 11:24 pm (UTC)

Re: Immersion

Date: 2017-04-28 07:18 am (UTC)
shapinglight: (The Americans)
From: [personal profile] shapinglight
And while I’m thinking about Elizabeth (she had so many good moments in this episode), it was a big step for her to tell Paige that she’d been raped and what that did to her. Paige’s first reaction was to want to hug her, but Elizabeth wasn’t looking for sympathy. Being hurt and terrorized like that galvanized her. It made her determined that no one would ever be able to hurt her like that again. She wants that for Paige too, just as much as she wants Paige to have a cause. Elizabeth is so buttoned up about her feelings that she is practically a cypher. A lot of (incredibly clueless) viewers still think that she is completely heartless, which is exactly the opposite of who she is. She is passionate about her beliefs and caring not just to her family but to all needy people everywhere.

When reading this paragraph, it struck me forcibly again that, yes, while Elizabeth's motives for passing on her skills to Paige, so Paige won't be afraid, are based on love and a desire to connect with her daughter, ironically Paige being Philip and Elizabeth's daughter is the main reason Paige has to be afraid in the first place.

Re: Immersion

Date: 2017-04-28 08:12 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] treonb
Paige has a lot of reasons to be afraid due to her being P&E's daughter, but the reason she's sleeping in the closet really has nothing to do with it. She was attacked by muggers on her way to volunteering for her church, not really connected to her parents.

Re: Immersion

Date: 2017-04-28 01:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shapinglight
I can't remember the exact circumstances in which Paige and Elizabeth encountered the muggers, but wasn't it after the revelation about the Jenningses' real identity and Paige being told she had to continue with church activities like it or not so as to avoid rousing suspicion?

Sorry if I've got that wrong.

Re: Immersion

Date: 2017-04-28 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] treonb
No, you're right, but she joined the church because she wanted to, and it's quite likely that in the normal course of events, she would still be active in it of her own volition.

The reason she wanted to leave the church was because her parents were spies, and so the reason she was forced to stay was because of her parents.

Re: Immersion

Date: 2017-04-28 02:13 pm (UTC)
shapinglight: (The Americans)
From: [personal profile] shapinglight
Okay, thanks.

Re: Immersion

Date: 2017-04-28 05:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
It's also ironic that the thing that traumatized Paige in large part was Elizabeth killing the guy, so it's this very thing that Elizabeth is trying to teach her that upset her.

Though of course, the alternative would probably have involved her being assaulted, which would have been possibly even more traumatizing.

Something that never comes up with this thing, though, that's interesting is that this scene wasn't that different from the scene in s1 with the hitchhiker. The main difference between them being that in the second scene Elizabeth actually killed the guy.

What the heck?

Date: 2017-05-05 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
How did Tuan get into this mess, where does he live? How did Martha get to Russia and why?

Re: What the heck?

Date: 2017-05-05 04:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
Not sure what you mean by "this mess" with Tuan? He's a Vietnamese citizen who works for Vietnamese Intelligence and was sent to the US under the cover of being a simple orphan in search of a host family.

Martha was sent to Russia by the Russian characters last season when her work as a spy for them was uncovered. She's been there for about a year.

Re: What the heck?

Date: 2017-05-07 01:18 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for the info, but what family does Tuan live with? And as I recall, Martha didn't realize that she was spying , when it was discovered she was(to her shock) did she go to Russia to avoid being prosecuted by US authorities? Sorry for being so dense, but this is complicated for a 90 year old to follow.

Re: What the heck?

Date: 2017-05-07 01:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sistermagpie
No problem!

We've never met the family that Tuan lived with but he talked about them. He left Vietnam and was taken in as a foster child by a family in Seattle. He's not living with them now, of course, because he's working with P&E and posing as their son at the house in Maryland.

After Martha realized that Clark didn't work for the DOJ, she continued spying for him at the office. Stan figured out she was doing that but Philip arranged for her to go to Russia before Stan could grab her. If she hadn't agreed to go the KGB probably would have killed her since she'd seen Philip without his disguise.

Re: What the heck?

Date: 2017-05-07 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks very much; and WOW about Martha, no wonder she's so unhappy.


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